Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 16:16:09 -0700
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To: "Robert B. Moneymaker" 
From: moneymaj@wsu.edu (Jim Moneymaker)
Subject: Re: Any Moneymaker !!

Bob--Thanks for the info on the software available.  
I will buy it!!!!  :-)  

Will sent me this note too!!  Very interesting!!!!  
You probably have much more information than I do!!! 
 I visited my uncle last night, who was my 
grandpa's executor, (Samuel Roy) and only has information
 on just my immediate family (Samuel David on down).  
There are some documents in there 
from earlier times, I don't know if they are official or not.  
I think there is an honorable discharge for one of his great uncles.  
(Major?)  Would this help the tree out????  
 I have typed out all of the tree from my grandfather 
down to his great-grandchildren.  Do you need this????  Will it help????

Jim

Maurice (my uncle) gave me an e-mail address of somebody that he
 thought might be able to help.  Maybe this is you??? 
 Just trying to tie all of this together!!!  :-)

Bob Luhs Moneymaker bobmoney@inreach.com 
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>Jim-
>
>The paper you have was written by Berlen Moneymaker in the 70's.  
The Nunnemacher story is speculation and has been disproven as 
the Census of Yorkshire in the Thirteenth Century has a John 
Moneymaker listed.
>
>The original name story "Nunnemacher" was started speculatively,
 as an assumption by my, deceased cousin, Berlen Moneymaker, 
of Oak Ridge TN.
>
>Over twenty years ago, he was one of us who got into genealogy.  
Nellie (Moneymaker) Sorrell, my grand-aunt, was married to an LDS 
church member and >started the "sealing" research for the 
Moneymakers in Tennessee, as required by the LDS Church.
>
>I have all the presumptive documentation on the Nunnemachers 
and know that Berlen was totally wrong.  We have paid a professional 
genealogist, who found a John Moneymaker on the Yorkshire, England,
"Testamenta Eboracensia",  which was recorded in the thirteenth century.
>
>We have talked to several Geldmachers living in Pennsylvania, 
who know of the Virginia and West Virginia Moneymakers.  
They said the German immigrants in the 1700's, became known as 
"Pennsylvania Dutch" to avoid persecution, during the Revolution.  
The Hessians, British mercenaries, hired from the Duchy of Hesse 
in Germany, gave all German-lineage people a bad name, so
>some changed to the Anglicized version.  Many Hessians deserted 
during the Revolution and stayed here, also.  That's a well known 
historical fact.
>
>Geldmacher means "moneymaker" in "Late German." Another professional
>genealogist, we hired, traced the Geldmacher name to the "Early German"
>where it was "Geldschlager"-- coin striker.  The Oldest version which is
>from the "Old German" Language, the researcher found was "Oleienschlager",
>also meaning "coin-striker", for which we have the Coat of Arms.
>
>When I visited Berlen Moneymaker in the 1970's, with my Uncle, William
>Michael Moneymaker, who was called Mike Moneymaker, by everyone, all his
>life, (This makes oral history a muddy pond, when doing such research, as
>many Moneymakers used their middle names.  Particularly those named William.
>"Uncle Mike is listed as William on the Scoial Security death records with
>no middle initial.  My father is also listed on the SS Rolls with no middle
>initial.  He was Bruce McClure Moneymaker.  My grand father wasd Joseph
>Henry Edward Moneymaker.
>My great grandmother gave the name Edward to all of her six boys, as middle
>or third names.)
>
>During my visit, Berlen made this "Nunnemacher" assertion to me.  As he had
>no documentation, showing a name changed and just assumed this, as the Lewis
>Moneymaker showed on discharge records of the Continental Army's Virginia
>Militia in 1778, Berlen assumed that, since there was no enlistment records
>showing the name, Moneymaker, the name was changed by Lewis, while in the
>army.
>
>Berlen didn't know that the enlistment records would be with the Virginia
>Militia, and not with the Continental Army.  His written accounts which he
>and another cousin, or  his son,  Rector Thomas Moneymaker, wrote use the
>word "speculation" very often.
>
>This is unacceptable genealogical practice.  Without original documents from
>third - party sources, death records, marriage rolls, etc., there can be no
>assumptions that are reliable. When he heard of my research in the 1970
>meeting, he was aghast, as he didn't know that "Geldmacher" actually meant
>Moneymaker, in Old German, and in Dutch.
>
>The probability that the name was simply anglicized had never occurred to
>Berlen.
>
>His probability theory was shattered as the Virginia Archives show a Lewis
>Moneymaker with the First Virginia Militia, 23rd Regiment during the late
>1770's.  No record for the Continental Army enlistment was found.
>
>The English Yorkshire listing from the thirteenth century expands the
>possibilities further.  The term, "Anglo-Saxon' or "pre-Norman"-English, is
>such because the earlier invaders of England were from Saxony, a German
>Duchy, part of which borders Holland, in the 11th and 12th century.
>Remember, above, I stated, the 13th Century Yorkshire Rolls show John
>Moneymaker.
>
>Coincidentally, there is a John Moneymaker on the very first US Census in
>1792, in Virginia.  Berlen didn't know about him either.
>
>The probability that this 13th Century John Moneymaker is an ancestor is
>dependent on the ships' manifests for the late 1600's and 1700's which are
>available in Baltimore, MD.  Some day, in the near future, we plan to come
>East to check those out.
>
>The best records you can spend time on, with the best probability of
>success, are death records, in the county archives of the State of Virginia
>and/or West Virginia.  The death record is usually the only place you can
>find birth dates.  You can get parents' names and middle initials sometimes.
>
>Vital Records are usually centralized for the late 1700's and 1800's in the
>State Archives.
>
>When I was in college, I played quarterback at San Diego State, after I got
>out of the Marines, in the middle 1950's.  A Marine buddy sent me a
>newspaper clipping showing a Bob Moneymaker, of the Univ. of Delaware,
>playing halfback in an action photo.  In the early sixties, Bob Moneymaker
>of the Dupont Chemical Co., and his wife, came out from the east to San
>Diego, where I lived and called me.  He was on a business trip.
>
>When I met him, he looked more like my father than I do.  He said his family
>lived on the first "original" Moneymaker farm in West Virginia, which was
>part of Virginia during the Revolution.   I have failed to keep in touch
>with him and have lost any contact information on him.
>
>That's it for now so come back, soon. :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob$$$
>Bob$$$
>
>
>
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