From: "William F. Moneymaker"
To: "email@example.com" Subject: C.O. Moneymaker Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:48:35 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Hi Bob, I called dad this morning to see if he could remember anyone else that help us. He said he would look in the bible -couldn't remember right off hand. He also said that his father's father's name was C. O. Moneymaker (CO) and he had two boys and two girls (Roy F. Moneymaker, Charlee ?. Moneymaker., Ellan ?. Moneymaker, and ???????) CO was married to Nancy something. Roy had one boy (Roy F. Moneymaker, Jr.) his first marrage and one girl (Dorcus) his second. Roy married Norlee Mann Shirey(not sure about spelling) the first marrage. Could CO be Charles Moneymaker which is George Moneymaker's son? I have Lewis and his sons and then John Moneymaker II and then George Moneymaker then his son's Maurice, Roy Woodard, Charles, Randolph, Harold, Ernest. Do you have their middle names? Who was John Moneymaker II's fathers name? -John Moneymaker ? And is there any chance you would have the birthdates and deaths of them? My wife and I are going to visit Staunton next month. If you would, please give me hints on how to find more info and what to look for while were there. I wish I had more info for you! Also, was our original name Nunamaker or Nonnemacher? Thanks, Will
Over twenty years ago, he was one of us who got into genealogy. Nellie (Moneymaker) Sorrell, my grand-aunt, was married to an LDS church member and started the "sealing" research for the Moneymakers in Tennessee, as required by the LDS Church.
I have all the presumptive documentation on the Nunnemachers and know that Berlen was totally wrong. We have paid a professional genealogist, who found a John Moneymaker on the Yorkshire, England, "Testamenta Eboracensia", which was recorded in the thirteenth century.
We have talked to several Geldmachers living in Pennsylvania, who know of the Virginia and West Virginia Moneymakers. They said the German immigrants in the 1700's, became known as "Pennsylvania Dutch" to avoid persecution, during the Revolution. The Hessians, British mercenaries, hired from the Duchy of Hesse in Germany, gave all German-lineage people a bad name, so some changed to the Anglicized version. Many Hessians deserted during the Revolution and stayed here, also. That's a well known historical fact.
Geldmacher means "moneymaker" in "Late German." Another professional genealogist, we hired, traced the Geldmacher name to the "Early German" where it was "Geldschlager"-- coin striker. The Oldest version which is from the "Old German" Language, the researcher found was "Oleienschlager", also meaning "coin-striker", for which we have the Coat of Arms.
When I visited Berlen Moneymaker in the 1970's, with my Uncle, William Michael Moneymaker, who was called Mike Moneymaker, by everyone, all his life, (This makes oral history a muddy pond, when doing such research, as many Moneymakers used their middle names....particularly those named William.)
Uncle Mike is listed as William on the Social Security death records with no middle initial. My father is also listed on the SS Rolls with no middle initial. He was Bruce McClure Moneymaker.
My grand father was named Joseph Henry Edward Moneymaker. His name was often recorded without the Edward and he is also confused with a nephew born in 1896, named Joseph Edward Moneymaker, the son of Charles Edward Moneymaker.
My great grandmother gave the name Edward to all of her six boys, as middle or third names.
During my visit, Berlen made this "Nunnemacher" assertion to me. As he had no documentation, showing a name changed and just assumed this, as the Lewis Moneymaker showed on discharge records of the Continental Army's Virginia Militia in 1778, Berlen assumed that, since there was no enlistment records showing the name, Moneymaker, the name was changed by Lewis, while in the army.
Berlen didn't know that the enlistment records would be with the Virginia Militia, and not with the Continental Army. His written accounts, which he and his brother, Rector Thomas Moneymaker, wrote, use the word "speculation" very often.
This is unacceptable genealogical practice. Without original documents from third - party sources, death records, marriage rolls, baptismal certificates, etc., there can be no assumptions that are reliable. When he heard of my research in the 1970 meeting, he was aghast, as he didn't know that "Geldmacher" actually meant Moneymaker, in Old German, and in Dutch.
The probability that the name was simply anglicized had never occurred to Berlen.
His probability theory was shattered as the Virginia Archives show a Lewis Moneymaker with the First Virginia Militia, 23rd Regiment during the late 1770's. No record for the Continental Army enlistment was found. This is before the ship, Texas, brought the three Geldmacher brothers, mentioned below, to America.
The English Yorkshire listing from the thirteenth century expands the possibilities further. The term, "Anglo-Saxon' or "pre-Norman"-English, is such because the earlier invaders of England were from Saxony, a German Duchy, part of which borders Holland, in the 11th and 12th century. Remember, above, I stated, the 13th Century Yorkshire Rolls show John Moneymaker.
Coincidentally, there is a John Moneymaker on the very first US Census in 1792, in Virginia. Berlen didn't know about him either.
The probability that this 13th Century John Moneymaker is an ancestor is dependent on the ships' manifests for the late 1600's and 1700's which are available in Baltimore, MD. Some day, in the near future, we plan to come East to check those out.
Your finding the ship manifests with the names of three Geldmachers on the USS Texas, dated 1782, which landed in South Carolina, showing Bernard, Ludwig-Luice, and Wilhem-William, is another puzzle. This could be the Louis Geldmacher, who married Dolley Baumgardner. However, this does not account for the Lewis Moneymaker of the 1770 Virginia Militia, or for the John Moneymaker of the 1792 Virginia Census, or for the William Moneymaker, of the 6th Pennsylvania Regiment of the Continental Army, who was discharged in 1796.
The best records you can spend time on, with the best probability of success, are death records, in the county archives of the State of Virginia and/or West Virginia. The death record is usually the only place you can find birth dates. You can get parents' names and middle initials sometimes.
Vital Records are usually centralized for the late 1700's and 1800's in the State Archives.
When I was in college, I played quarterback at San Diego State, after I got out of the Marines, in the middle 1950's. A Marine buddy sent me a newspaper clipping showing a Bob Moneymaker, of the Univ. of Delaware, playing halfback in an action photo. In the early sixties, Bob Moneymaker of the Dupont Chemical Co., and his wife, came out from the east to San Diego, where I lived and called me. He was on a business trip.
When I met him, he looked more like my father than I do. He said his family lived on the first "original" Moneymaker farm in West Virginia, which was part of Virginia during the Revolution. I have failed to keep in touch with him and have lost any contact information on him.
That's it for now so come back, soon. :-)
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At 08:48 AM 5/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > >I called dad this morning to see if he could remember anyone else that >help us. He said he would look in the bible -couldn't remember right off >hand. >He also said that his father's father's name was C. O. Moneymaker (CO) and >he had two boys and two girls (Roy F. Moneymaker, Charlee ?. Moneymaker., >Ellan ?. Moneymaker, and ???????) >CO was married to Nancy something. >Roy had one boy (Roy F. Moneymaker, Jr.) his first marrage and one girl >(Dorcus) his second. >Roy married Norlee Mann
Shirey(not sure about spelling) the first >marrage. >Could CO be Charles Moneymaker which is George Moneymaker's son? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Will- There are Charles in my branch as well. Charles Moneymaker is another common name. Death certificates will clear up the matter. ............................. >I have Lewis and his sons and then John Moneymaker II and then George >Moneymaker then his son's Maurice, Roy Woodard, Charles, Randolph, Harold, >Ernest. >Do you have their middle names? >Who was John Moneymaker II's fathers name? -John Moneymaker ? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The probability that the John, father of George W. Moneymaker, was the son of Jacob the First, is likely. However, Jacob the First had a younger brother named John, also. I don't know which John was on the 1792 Census, John, the brother of Lewis or John, Lewis' son? My great great grandfather named his first born son Jacob, who moved from Tennessee to Kentucky in the 1880's. Jacob the First is rumored to have move to Kentucky, also. There could be confusion on which Jacob AND on which John as a result. ............ .................. >And is there any chance you would have the birth dates and deaths of them? > >My wife and I are going to visit Staunton next month. >If you would, please give me hints on how to find more info and what to >look for while were there. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Try for death certificates. They are the most reliable.
Lewis died in 1812. Jacob, the First, was grown and married at the time, so the time of his death is unknown. That is one advantage of the name Moneymaker. You don't have too many to look for, in the U.S. Census Reports, which are by county, and taken every ten years. They give you a bracket to look for death certificates in. If Jacob didn't go to Kentucky, he should be in the 1800, 1810, 1820, and maybe, 1830 U.S Census for Rockbridge County., ........................ >I wish I had more info for you! >Also, was our original name Nunamaker or Nonnemacher? > >Thanks, >Will > > ************ From: "William F. Moneymaker"
To: "firstname.lastname@example.org" Subject: Sorry for the low resources! Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:52:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Bob- The list I sent you is everything I have at this time. It wasn’t meant for you to analyze every section of it, just glance over it to see if I'm on the right track. I have a step-aunt in Staunton, (Darcus G. Moneymaker), she should have more information to give to me. My (GF) was born in Rockbridge Co., Walker Creek, VA and (GGF) in Moffatts Creek, VA. My birthday is December 11, 1968. I posted that in one of my last letters (Subject: Curtis O. Moneymaker). At this time I have no new information to trade with you -You have all that I have. I am sorry for my low resources! I wish I had more info to make up for all that you have given to me. -Maybe later in a few years or so! Take care and good luck with the search!! William F. Moneymaker ********* From: "Ovnet.com" To: "Steve Swafford" , "Louise M. Perkins" , "Capt. Tom Nunamaker" , "Linda Moneymaker/Iversen" , "Betsy Moneymaker/HONDO/HIDOE" , "Elaine Moneymaker/Flores" , "William F. Moneymaker" , "Tracy Moneymaker" , "Robert L. Moneymaker" , "Robert B. Moneymaker" , "Michael L. Moneymaker" , "Maurice Moneymaker" , "Matt Moneymaker" , "Laura Moneymaker" , "Larry Moneymaker" , "John & Kelly Moneymaker" , "Jim Moneymaker" , "Gordon C. Moneymaker" , "Gene Moneymaker" , "Cpt. Stewart A. Moneymaker" , "Bruce R. Moneymaker" , "Brian Moneymaker" , "Brenda Moneymaker" , "Angela Moneymaker" , "Moneymaker" , "Michael or Mary McKinley" , "Diane Keeton" , "Ronnie Hall" , "Faron Hall" , "Uwe Geldmacher" , "David S. Geldmacher, M.D." , "Jim Geldmacher" Cc: "Robert B. Moneymaker" Subject: FW: Things where never the same without you. :-) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:56:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal -------- >RESEND FROM SERVER (OVNET.COM). >E-MAIL SEARCH IN PROGRESS, PLEASE STAND BY. >TO: Robert B. Moneymaker >FROM: William F. Moneymaker >FORWARD: ALL -------- >LAST MESSAGE SENT: Bob- Glad you are back from Europe! Things where never the same without you. :-) Did you get a chance to send a post card? My daughter is now into collecting stamps and she's very interested in Germany. Wonder why? :-) I haven't proved what surname Lewis Moneymaker Immigrated under. The first record of Lewis I have found was for Ludwig Geldmacher in 1784 when he witnessed the will of Adam Brubeck. He appears in various other records, but always as Ludwig Geldmacher. Some of these records include, congregational Records of St. John's Lutheran Church in Middlebrook Augusta Co. He appears on their register up through 1811, always as Ludwig Geldmacher in the church register (at least for those that he baptized there). His occasions in the 1810's when he is named as Lewis Keltmaker. It is not until he wrote his will 21 Sept. 1812, that I have found him refereed to as Luis Moneymaker. As for the DAR. Henry Geldmacher, brother of Ludwig and husband of Elizabeth Forry, fought in the American Revolution as British sympathizer. On October 23, 1779, he took the oath of allegiance to the free America and listed his residence as Hempfield, Lancaster Co., Pa. Henry later took the name of Keltmacher, however some of his descendants kept the name Geldmacher and went into Frederick Co., Maryland. I have also came to believe that Henry, Ludwig and Elizabeth Geldmacher were not immigrants. The fact that Elizabeth was in this country and would have been but 10 years old at the beginning of the Revolution, coupled with the youngness of her brothers, would suggest that they came over with their parents. I have a friend who was President of the DAR and has did much research on the origins of our Geldmacher line. Unfortunately she has gotten not much further that you and I. I do believe that she checked the British Hessian soldier listings and found none of out family. She and I have come to the conclusion that Ludwig and Henry settled in Lancaster Co. After the war, Ludwig moved to Shenandoah Co., with members of the Brubeck family (their sister marrying the Brubeck). In the mid 1780's, the Brubecks moved to Augusta Co. and settled near Middlebrook. Ludwig then brought his family to Augusta Co., probably living on the farm of Adam Brubeck. This would explain why he paid taxes but no land deeds have been found. I believe that he kept the name Geldmacher as long as he could. It is apparent that the change in spelling of the name was slow, yet progressive. It went from Geldmacher to Keltmacher then Keltmaker and finally to Moneymaker about 1810. I don't have the records in front of me, but I believe the Ludwig's son John, baptized several of his children with the name Keltmacher as late as the 1830's. That is really all I have at this time. I will continue to look for information and will see to it that you get it if it is there. I still think that the answers are in Pennsylvania. I will be sending you more information in several weeks. I am quite busy with health problems. Several doctors are about to run a series of tests. I should have time next weekend to get the information updated. Best Regards, Will Moneymaker New e-mail address: email@example.com ================================================== For a complete surname listing that I will search for you, please visit: "Ancestral Findings" http://www.ovnet.com/~wfmoney/cd/ A complete search is only $10.00 per surname from all CD-ROMs. E-Mail for further information. ================================================== E-Mail: firstname.lastname@example.org URL: http://www.ovnet.com/~wfmoney/ researching Moneymaker descendants, including: Moneymaker Keltmaker Jeltmaker Geldmacher Geldmaker Geltmacher Geltmaker ==================================================